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Memorable editing tales?

The more I get involved in Wiki editing and read Teahouse and Help Desk replies from senior editors, the more I’m curious if somewhere there’s a collection of stories about intriguing editing situations they’ve been been involved in over the years. I can just picture the old-timers sitting around a campfire under the stars sharing memorable tales.

Augnablik (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Some of this may be of interest:

• WP:HOAXLIST
• WP:LAME
• WP:PRESS 24
• WP:SIGNPOST
• Depths of Wikipedia
• Wikipediocracy
• User:JPxG/Oracle/Largest AfDs

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång … you’ve certainly expanded my to-do list exponentially! I delved into your first suggestion, WP:HOAXLIST, and found myself alternately in laughter and horror that so many hoaxes had actually gotten through Wikipedia’s security posts — even if they amount to only something like 1% of all posts. That’s 1% too many.

I think I have my reading all cut out for me over the next week, with your suggested list. Augnablik (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik One more: WP:CITOGENESIS. This [1] is a favorite of mine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik You might find some of the 'hairiest tales' being dewscribed during the week-long discussion process when an editor applies to become an administrator. Quite ofte,n the applicants are asked to describe difficult or challenging editing situations they have found themselves having to deal with. You can read mine here, and you simply have to change the url by replacing the username of the editor you're interested in hearing more from.

Sometimes the questioners tease out fascinating issues the applicant has encountered - sometimes dealing with them well; other times not. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

My already long reading list provided by @Gråbergs Gråa Sång has expanded hugely with your suggestion to read “some of the ‘hairiest tales’ … during the week-long discussion process when an editor applies to become an administrator."

Actually, Nick, this will probably surprise you but it's the second time that I’ve read your write-up for your exam week. The first was a few months ago when, as has occurred with some frequency, you gave me a particularly helpful answer to one of my questions in the Teahouse. I don’t remember what that question was, but I do remember the deep resonance I felt. So I decided to find out more about you. When I went to your user page, I eventually found a link to your write-up.

Reading it made me feel an even closer bond with you and the other senior editors as well, even those I hadn’t yet connected with, as I became aware of some of the behind-the-scenes work you’ve all had to carry on. I think it must have been through reading your write-up that I felt an unusually strong sense of commitment to the Wikipedia mission and of belonging in its editor community that brought me to a much further point than no accumulation of editor points could have.

I hope all editors get to find out about such stories from your merry band. Augnablik (talk) 10:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

And for a (somewhat) fictitious cases, but based on "real" events, and also and to highlight the sometimes very pronounced hairiness of Wiki-bureaucracy, see WP:LIGHTBULB and Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. Maybe also the BJAODN part of Wikipedia:Silly Things. Lectonar (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

😱 WP:LIGHTBULB is a scream, @Lectonar! Once recuperated from the acute hilarity attack it brought on, I'll get to your other suggestions. Augnablik (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik What a kind thing to say! Thank you. I'm glad my and others efforts here have inspired you. That's precisely what we need in order to ensure a good supply of younger enthusiastic and committed editors. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

"Younger" editors? If only you knew, Nick! 😂 Well, your other two adjectives fit me ("enthusiastic" and "committed").

Now, thanks to you and several others, I have my own private collection of memorable editing tales. Wish someone would do a great service and weave them together for the enjoyment of all involved in Wiki editing, from the badgeless to those with the largest badge collection. Augnablik (talk) 10:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, you are "someone" - did I hear you volunteering? WP:JUSTDOIT - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay, I just checked WebMD to see what might account for your question and this is what I found out:

”If what you heard really doesn’t have a source, it might be an ‘auditory hallucination.’” 😂 Augnablik (talk) 10:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Another one for your collection:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, you’ve contributed to this thread several times now, and you seem to be an editor who might have quite a badge collection in addition to memorable editing tales … how about you taking this project ahead? Augnablik (talk) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I edit pages like WP:PRESS 24 quite a bit, I also add items to "This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:" when I find them (see Talk:Recession for an example). With those and the other pages, I think the area is reasonably covered (with some bonus-content on my userpage). We also have a, thankfully small, number of WP-articles about WP-content, see Category:Wikipedia content. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thing is, how to get everything available into one space rather than spread out in many different places in Wikidom. Augnablik (talk) 05:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I need someone to upload a image of a Morula echinata to the Wikimedia Commons

funny story im banned from the Commons so can someone please help Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 20:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

No, we won't help you to evade your block or ban from Commons. 331dot (talk) 20:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

There's information on how to appeal a block at commons over at Commons:Blocking_policy#Appealing_a_block. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dr Jackson is not rweal It appears you're not banned or blocked from Commons. In fact, this account isn't registered on Commons yet. Do you have another account? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

no it's my IP address Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 19:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

B+Class articles

So i was just chilling on Template:Icon because I was trying to add that negative fail sign for a GAR but then I saw a B+ class article icon. Anyone know what this is? 48JCL (talk • contribs) 00:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@48JCL: Where did you see the B+ icon? RudolfRed (talk) 00:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Scroll down. 48JCL (talk • contribs) 01:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed 48JCL (talk • contribs) 01:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Tasty! And a B+ article may be on its way to becoming a very special GA. -- Hoary (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

It already existed in the past and was removed 48JCL (talk • contribs) 20:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

answer

Hi! How to answer some questions in the help desk/Teahouse? NeD1a [[User:Nedia020415|Nedia020415] (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 You can press the "reply" button right next to the questions to answer them. Hanoifun (talk) 15:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun Without being a teahouse host?NeD1a [[User:Nedia020415|Nedia020415] (talk) 15:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nedia020415: Welcome to the Teahouse. Some people that have been around long enough like to give themselves the moniker, but anyone's allowed to answer provided they know what they're talking about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, NeD1a. While there is not a formal restriction on who may answer questions here, please see WP:Teahouse/Host start. From time to time we get enthusiastic newcomers here who are keen to help, but have not yet learnt enough about Wikipedia to give accurate and helpful answers. If you do start answering, please be certain you know what you are talking about when you try it, and accept any feedback with good grace. ColinFine (talk) 02:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Template categories

Hello, could someone explain templete categories to me? I noticed that the majority of uncategorized pages are templates but don’t really know how to categorize them. Fernmyne (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Templates would go in either categories of templates on a certain topic, templates for a certain type of use, or templates associated with a certain context. So for example, is templates used to format cited sources and Category:Chembox templates is templates used internally by the {{Chembox}} infobox. There are currently 25,564 categories with the string "templates" in their name. If you have a few example templates in mind, someone can probably suggest a few cats. With practice in general, or in collaboration with a wikiproject, you'll start to recognize certain sets of category-names. DMacks (talk) 04:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fernmyne: Template categories should be inside <noinclude>...</noinclude>. Otherwise the category will also be added to pages using the template. On a documentation subpage categories are placed inside <includeonly>...</includeonly> and the parent template transcludes the documentation inside <noinclude>...</noinclude>. Many template subpages don't require a category. To find suitable categories, you can look at similar templates, search the category namespace (e.g. with category:) with templates or intitle:templates included in the search, or navigate template categories like Category:Wikipedia templates. Don't create new template categories unless you are familiar with the area. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Wiki source codes to format quotations

Where's the help to lookup the source codes that are available to format quotations? I believe that Visual Editor makes formatting visually easier, but it's not available everywhere on Wikipedia.

I know the source codes are different when composing in an article versus in a Talk page's topic. For example, a block quotation's source code in a Talk page should be: {{Talk quote block|text=block}}. rootsmusic (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Welcome to the Teahouse. Does Category:Talk namespace quotation templates help? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes @Tenryuu, thanks! Is there a way that I can bookmark it within Wikipedia (not with my browser)? (I think that the Watchlist is to monitor a page's edits.) rootsmusic (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic When I started editing here, I encountered the same problem. I first bookmarked really interesting pages in a dedicated section of my main userpage see here. But I subsequently created a separate subpages for the myriad of lesser, but nevertheless quite valuable pages I encountered that I wanted to refer back to. See User:Nick Moyes/infopages. Sadly both pages are a bit of a mess, but that's just me. Maybe you'll be better organised! Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: I haven't discovered a feature in Wikipedia (desktop version, anyway) that does what you're looking for. I just do what Nick Moyes does and made a subpage (e.g., User:Tenryuu/Useful templates) that links to them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

New article needs to contain more info

This article needs some more work and I wanted help knowing where I should start.

Abuse in special education 172.56.201.12 (talk) 19:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Gosh, it is really very poor, isn't it? I would suggest that your approach should be roughly in this order.

• Read the article
• Read each reference thoroughly
• Re-read the article and ask yourself if there were any key facts in those references that were missing from the article.
• Critique the current article and think what anyone wanting to know about the topic might expect to find within it.
• Consider all the sections of the article, both present and missing. The lead is very weak and doesn't even wikilink to Special education (make sure you read through that first, too) Think whether the article needs a section on laws, international children's charters, support groups, prosecutions of extreme cases, etc.
• Make a list of key things missing from the article and go look for sources that would help you fill those gaps.
• So, how prevalent is abuse in special education? (I found one sources in a few seconds suggesting it's 4 times as likely to happen than in normal schooling, but maybe there are national or cultural variations?) Is it more likely in certain settings or with certain groups of special education needs, or certain ages?
• Try to find academic studies on the subject, not salatious news stories that talk about one particular incident at one school somewhere. UNICEF type-reports, not tabloid media tales.
• Try using Google Books to find best academic or scholarly sources. Read and reread the sources, maybe working in your sandbox to collate additional text and citations ( or in a wordprocessor if you prefer)
• Think globally - most editors seem to take an Americo-centic perspective, but this is surely a worldwide issue? If so, demonstrate it with sources. How have different countries addressed the issue?

Whatever you do, write new content in your own words and enjoy the challenge of being able to turn a poor article into something quite, erm, encyclopaedic! Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't believe such a weak article was published in Wikipedia! It looks like what you'd expect only at a draft stage. I'm really surprised the article has been up for a few months (I checked its History page) without receiving at least one tag pointing out the need for specific further work to be done on it.

Nick has laid out a good comprehensive set of steps for you, but I'd like to add to the discussion by saying how I'd start out if I were taking on that article — assuming I didn't have a strong background of knowledge about abuse in special education beyond what I've read in the news. I'd do a quick Net search on ABUSE SPECIAL EDUCATION ... then skim through the Results list for sources with titles that seem to be about the topic at a general level ... then I'd go to those sources to get an overall idea of the situation.

— For instance, I'd want to know the different areas within special education where abuse has occurred most.

— And depending on how broad I wanted to make the article, I'd also try to get an idea of where the abuse has particularly been found to occur (like, just in the US? or worldwide?).

Once I felt a bit familiar with the situation — but not until! — I'd start moving ahead on the job.

This is a more "top-down" approach than others might find works best. For them, a more "bottom-up" approach might work better. The world, after all, can be divided into those who are more deductive and those who are more inductive when approaching new tasks and learning new material. Of course, there are also many folks in between; even so, most of us lean somewhat more in one direction than the other.

I mention all this because you have a pretty big job ahead of you with that article, and knowing yourself in this way can help get things off to a productive start. Good luck. You're brave to take this article on! Augnablik (talk) 21:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Eesh... I've fixed some of the more egregious grammar problems. Cremastra (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question on picture copyright.

Can I use a picture I found that while I can't find the copyright is more likely than not in the public domain ? As it is a picture of someone who died in 1929, meaning it is at least 95 years old and more likely even older than that ? DanganMachin (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

On second look, it would seem the image is already present on Wikipedia Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fusajiro_Yamauchi.png) and is in the public domain anyway. DanganMachin (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

formatting paragraph to collapse text

(Thanks @Nick Moyes for the examples from your User page.) In a Talk page, I've striked-out my own paragraphs because they were wrong. How can I also collapse the striked-out paragraphs to not clutter the topic? rootsmusic (talk) 21:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You can use the template {{collapse}}. For example:

This is my title for this box.
Some text that I'm hiding.

Cremastra (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cremastra! I successfully followed your reply's source code. (I appreciate @2NumForIce's helpfulness too.) rootsmusic (talk) 23:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Rootsmusic, to collapse a topic on a talk page use {{cot}} (collapse top) and {{cob}} (collapse bottom):

{{cot|Reason or title}}
Topic goes here...
{{cob}}

If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask at the Teahouse and learn about editing Wikipedia through our introduction. Happy editing! ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 22:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it depends on the length. If it's a long section, absolutely use the template 2NumForIce described, but if it's just a small part of one of your own comments, {{collapse}} is easier. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cremastra! I successfully followed your reply's source code. (I appreciate @2NumForIce's helpfulness too.) rootsmusic (talk) 23:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox formatting

I'm having trouble with an infobox on this page. I would like the item "Leia Organa Solo (daughter)" to stay on one line, like it does on this page. I can't figure out how to do it. I even tried putting it under the "family" heading like it is on Vader page, but that didn't do the trick. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmm... using &thinsp as used at Darth Vader doesn't work, inexplicably, and &nbsp breaks it up in an ugly way. Cremastra (talk) 22:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The only difference I can see between those two pages is that the padding in the middle of the infobox for Darth Vader skews a little more to the left than Padmé Amidala. I'm not sure if the {{show}} templates are affecting the spacing in the former. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wafflewombat. I don't know why but the line wrapping in the long image caption in Padmé Amidala causes the first data column to be a little wider than necessary to hold the longest text "First appearance", and then the second column doesn't have room for "Leia Organa Solo (daughter)". If the caption instead forces a newline with <br /> before or after "in" [3] then the issue goes away for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You're brilliant! Thanks a bunch! Wafflewombat (talk) 01:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

editing sources

Apparently sources, in this case a typo in a source, cannot be edited. Is this correct? Simoncreates (talk) 02:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Simoncreates. Without knowing more specifics, it's hard to give you anything but a general answer. If the typo is in content about a source that was added to a Wikipedia page (e.g a citation template), then it possibly can be edited. On the other land, if the typo is in something find on an external website that is being cited as a source on a Wikipedia page, then there's no way to edit that via Wikipedia. If you can provide some more details about this typo, then it would be easier for someone to give you a better answer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Simoncreates: Small typos can be corrected. Larger errors should use {{sic}}. See WP:SIC for more info. If you have a specific case in mind, more specific advice can be given. RudolfRed (talk) 02:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The Wikipedia article in question is about an individual. I wrote a piece about this individual for a local alt weekly, which is listed as a source. My name is misspelled as the author. I would like to correct the misspelling. 2600:1700:77C0:3BE0:45E5:D8D0:9010:67F4 (talk) 11:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Page numbers in citation of ebooks

I wanted to use an ebook as a citation in an article, but since ebooks don't have page numbers, how can I use that ebook as a citation? VK wiki100 03:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vkwiki100: You can omit the page number if it does not exist. RudolfRed (talk) 03:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vkwiki100, we still need you to do the best you can with location in a lengthy source. Wikipedia:Citing sources says If there are no page numbers, whether in ebooks or print materials, then you can use other means of identifying the relevant section of a lengthy work, such as the chapter number or the section title. Use the "at" field as n "|at=Chapter 2" in "cite book". StarryGrandma (talk) 03:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced AfD comments

Hi. If an editor puts his comment on the talk page rather than the discussion page (such as here), are others allowed to move it? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, what I'd do is reply to the comment, suggesting to its author (whom you should ping) that they should post it in the AfD page itself. The author can then take this opportunity to revise the comment if they wish. -- Hoary (talk) 06:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thank you! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Can the edit come back?

Edit MaribelCasey178 (talk) 04:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi MaribelCasey178. Are you asking about a specific edit or just about editing in general? If you're asking about a specific edit then it would help to know the name of the Wikipedia article/page where the edit in question was made. If you're asking more of a general question, then,in principle, pretty much every edit made to a Wikipedia article/page can be undone and every edit that's undone can be subsequently restored by undoing the undone; in many cases, though, edits are undone for a good reason (i.e. some Wikipedia policy or guideline related reason), and they probably shouldn't just simply be restored just for the sake of things but only when underlying reason has been satisfactorily addressed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MaribelCasey178, and welcome to the Teahouse. For a bit of background to what Marchjuly says, please see WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 14:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Short cuts for mobile phone editors

Are there short cuts available to use when doing Wiki editing on a mobile phone? If so, where can I find a list of them?

This question came up after often wishing I could quickly go from places like the Teahouse to my user page. My workaround to do that is unbelievably cumbersome. Augnablik (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

If you are using the mobile website (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/), you can go into "Settings" on the left-side menu and turn on "Advanced mode", which will provide you with additional options for navigating to your watchlist, user page, contributions, etc. If you are using the app I have no idea unfortunately. Reconrabbit 14:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Image use policy

Hi, I just had this conversation on my talk page about an image insertion I reverted. Essentially, the editor has uploaded an image of a minor onto Commons and then placed that image in an article on English Wikipedia. I reverted that insertion, partly because I thought it was vandalism (given the edit history of that page), and mostly because I was concerned about the image. I asked the editor if they had the consent to post such an image of a minor. They said they knew the minor depicted in the image, but did not gain consent from the minor's guardians yet. I advised them to delete the image until consent via a model release was obtained.

I was surprised WP:IUP (and WP:CHILDPROTECT) was not clear about consent and images that deal with minors in this type of scenario. I did try to quickly look through those policies' talk pages and the talk pages of WP:Teahouse and WP:VP to find other similar cases. I was going to post this on WP:VPP requesting an update to the policy language, but before I do, I want to make ensure I am not overlooking some other Wikipedia/Commons policy or past discussion where this is addressed?

Do you think my actions were logical in this scenario? Did it follow policy? If so, which policies? What would you have done here? Thank you in advance, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I have now moved this conversation to help desk, because this situation has occurred a second time. If you have a response, please provide it there. Thanks, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I Would Like Help To Create A New Article

Hey,

So I was recently watching a Youtube video by Dime Stone Adventures, where he goes over this old dance prompter/fiddler/farmer from Eastern Connecticut named Gurdon Cady. I noticed there wasn't an article for him on here, and I thought it would be a good idea to add one. However, I'm new to making and editing, and I know how strict stuff can be. So I would like be some senior/experienced article editors to help me create the article and to also seek approval of them to do so. Another problem I have is that there is not many sources of this man's existence outside of local newspapers, articles about his unique headstone, and that youtube video by Dime Stone Adventures that I mentioned earlier. Because of that, I feel like it would be to find accurate sources that we could easily link. If we are to go through with this, I should probably email (if I can) Dime Stone Adventures if we can link his video as a source or if he could help us create the article.

Link to the Dime Stone Adventures video: [4]

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Creamymemes5 (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Creamymemes5. The New York Times published an article about Gurdon Cady in 1897, and a Google Books search shows that he is discussed in several books. So, I think that trying to write an article about him is worth the effort. Your first article has good advice. As for the Dime Stone Adventures YouTube channel, that appears to be a one person operation and is unlikely to be considered a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 07:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Creamymemes5, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's great that you want to contribute to Wikipedia, and that you have seen a possible subject for an article - and from what Cullen says, you may have hit on a subject who actually meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so an article is possible. (This is already doing better than hundreds of new editors who plunge into creating articles where that is not the case).

Having said that, my advice to new editors is always to not even think about creating a new article until you have spent a few months learning how Wikipedia works by making edits to existing articles. Once you have grasped principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view. and notability, then you can read your first article, and give it a go.

It is not impossible that somebody will come forward to help you on it, but in all honesty, it is not likely. You are the person who wants this article: unless you happen to fire somebody else's imagination, they're not going to put effort into the ground-work of researching and writing this article, though people will be happy to answer specific questions, and if you submit a draft for review, reviewers will give you feedback. ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, I started editing roughly 15 years ago and made 15 edits in my first four weeks. During those weeks, I spent a lot of time studying Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and ways of doing things. 29 days after I started, I wrote my first article, Dirk van Erp, and have written over 100 new articles since, not one of which has been deleted. So, I do not believe that several months of experience is required if an editor is willing to learn. Cullen328 (talk) 18:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

what should be done to improve this?

Copy of User:SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI/sandbox

Computer Engineering Future For many years, computer engineering—a profession that combines computer science with electrical engineering—has been at the forefront of technological progress. Future developments and technologies have the potential to significantly alter the field of computer engineering. The Quantum World Computer engineering is about to undergo a revolution thanks to quantum computing, which makes use of the ideas of quantum physics. Quantum computers, as opposed to classical computers, employ quantum bits, or "qubits," which are multistate entities that may exist simultaneously. This enables quantum computers to carry out intricate computations at rates that are not possible for conventional computers. Although quantum computing is still in its infancy, there are a plethora of possible uses for it in drug discovery, cryptography, and optimization issues. Both machine learning and artificial intelligence Healthcare and finance are just two of the industries that artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML) have already begun to revolutionize. Computer engineers will be essential in creating effective hardware and algorithms to enable AI and ML applications as these technologies grow. AI will probably be included into more commonplace gadgets in the future, which will contribute to the development of smart homes, driverless cars, and customized healthcare. Internet of Things (IoT) The network of physical objects, ranging from industrial machinery to household appliances, that are linked to the internet in order to gather and exchange data is known as the Internet of Things (IoT). Computer developers will face issues with data security, privacy, and the creation of high-performance, low-power technology as more gadgets become "smart." Engineering with Neuromorphic Properties A recent development in computer engineering is called "neuromorphic engineering," which entails creating systems, circuits, and algorithms that resemble the neural networks and processing power of the brain. This may result in the creation of extremely effective, intelligent computers with learning and adapting capabilities. Online safety The significance of cybersecurity is increasing along with our dependence on digital technologies. It will be necessary for future computer engineers to create systems with strong security features in order to defend against more complex cyberattacks. Conclusion In conclusion, computer engineering has a promising and bright future. Computer engineers will continue to lead innovation and shape the future of our digital world as technology advances at an unparalleled rate. References: - www.techopedia.com www.technologyreview.com www.builtin.com www.technologyreview.com www.weforum.org www.imaginovation.net www.iotforall.com www.arxiv.org www.weforum.org www.securityintelligence.com www.gartner.com www.weforum.org www.cybersecuritydive.com www.link.springer.com www.frontiersin.org www.forbes.com www.usaid.gov www.knowledgehut.com www.weforum.org

i want to know what to edit in this article in order to be published .

and how to know if our article is published or not? SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI, Your draft is not supported by reliable sources which is needed to establish notability of the subject. Please cite reliable sources that will improve the article. GrabUp - Talk 09:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

how to improve it, sir?

please suggest me! SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI (talk) 03:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI, the subject of your User:SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI/sandbox is "Computer Engineering Future". As explained here (NB a policy page), this is not an encyclopedic subject. For this reason, if I had reviewed this draft, I would not have declined it. Instead, I'd have rejected it. Please stop working on it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

how to improve it, sir?

please suggest me! SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI (talk) 03:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Bold even alternate names

Why are all these alternate names also bolden in Hastur? (By any if it is removed, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hastur&oldid=1224264148.) Also there is an invisible comment that these are cited epithets, which may be the reason, but I am not sure if such reason is valid. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 10:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

We do normally bold AKAs, but having six different ones seems excessive. -- D'n'B-t -- 11:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor The guidance is at MOS:BOLDSYN, which says that bolding is reserved for significant alternative names (which should usually also redirect to the article). One example at least, namely Kaiwan redirects elsewhere, so breaks this guidance. Others may do so, too: I haven't checked them all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Article rejected

The page is that I have created is not unambiguously promotional, because I have deeply researched about the topic and after collecting the relevant references and then drafted the content for that. Previously I have written the article but same reason was given, that it's an advertisement. I'm well aware of all the rules, regulations and guidelines of wikipedia and before drafting the content I have first gone through other bunch of pages and there writing procedure. Inspite of writing clearly and concise on the subject it's rejected without any proper detailed explanation. I dont know whats wrong with the people and why they think that the people like us who are experience content writers and editors are only working and taking money for writing any content. Cant we just make it more easier to present you thoughts, but whatever I write everything is rejected. Now, I want the proper clarification because this is not the first time my article is being rejected. Provide me the solution for publishing the content on the subject, not just that its advertisement and we cannot publish it. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 11:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Is "a reputable firm in the tech space, it provides innovative digital solutions" something that you would expect to be in a neutrally written encyclopedia article? What about "...brought a wealth of experience and a visionary approach to the company" in reference to that company's leadership? If you saw those phrases in an article you hadn't written, would you honestly think that it sounded less like an advertisement than an encyclopedia article? -- D'n'B-t -- 11:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for your feedback, But can you provide me the better way to use words. As if I'm writing about any organization, then It's wrong to use or mention the CEO or the leader? I will make changes accordingly but will you please help me to streamline that as it has only 4 lines. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] The solution is for you to study and absorb the principles in Wikipedia's WP:Five pillars, and develop an understanding of what 'promotional' means in Wikipedia terms. Having done that, you need to rewrite the Draft in accordance with Wikipedia's requirements: Help:Your first article may be of assistance.

Something can read like an advertisement even if the writer is not being paid to write it. Your repeatedly Declined (not Rejected*) draft includes very few facts and a great deal of empty praise for the subject, and is very far from having a Neutral Point Of View. As for your four references, some if not all are clearly from associates of the subject, or reprints of PR releases from it, so are not independent and cannot demonstrate Notability, which is essential.

(* "Declined" means "not up to standard yet, please improve before resubmitting"; "Rejected" means "no hope of becoming an article, please stop trying".)

In future, please do not write in all-bold: it appears aggressive and will not encourage sympathy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.173 (talk) 11:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for the proper explanation. Now, I know what kind of links are valid and can be used in the wikipedia article. If you dont mind can I share the links here only to get the validation on are the links valid and can be used in the wikipedia article for the particular subject? Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 12:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You can share them, but from what I'm seeing none look wp:independent, which is one of the minimum standards for a source supporting a claim to WP:NORG. Valereee (talk) 12:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thankyou so much, I will send the links and after validation I will draft content. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you work for Futran? 331dot (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

No Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Ahem...https://futransolutions.com/?page_id=4562 Lectonar (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not me - you can find me here - go and search - https://vivekupadhyay1.medium.com/ , I have my dedicated page named Physics Alert where I post articles. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 13:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

So is what you are saying is that you coincidentally decided to edit about a company with an employee of the same name as you? I'm just wondering if that's what you are saying. 331dot (talk) 13:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, But the name of an employee is not something that I feel compelled me to write about Futran on Wikipedia. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure it's not- and that wasn't what I was getting at. But can you at least understand how this looks to everyone else? 331dot (talk) 13:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I know, it's really confusing. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 14:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You and the company seem to be following each other. [5][6] '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know following someone who shares the same information that you like to read is not a bad thing on medium. Vivekupadhyay1 (talk) 13:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vivekupadhyay1 You appear to be ignoring steadfastly the formal question on your user talk page regarding paid editing. You should note that the question may not be ignored, and your edits in this thread count as editing further. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vivekupadhyay1 Thank you. I see you are employed by Physics Alert for all your contributions to Wikipedia based upon your declaration just posted to your user page. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vivekupadhyay1 Except that you have now blanked that declaration. This is an unusual behaviour. Would you explain this please? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The declaration is returned to the user page. Thank you. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

What draft are we even talking about? The only thing I'm finding is Draft:Generative AI & LLMs, which hasn't been submitted and hasn't been edited for three months. Valereee (talk) 11:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see...Draft:Futran Solutions. Valereee (talk) 12:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Revert vandalism

I do not have an account and so cannot rollback obvious vandalism (3 edits) at Tartan. The "editor" User:Kilt Designer already has a spam warning from self-promoting elsewhere. Can someone here revert it and ask the admins to ban them for this? 212.79.110.147 (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done, you can report this kind of thing here in the future. Thanks, Jake Wartenberg (talk) 14:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Account management

Hello there! It's been some time since I've been here. I'm planning on being more active and I've decided to change my user name (if possible) and my signature. Can somebody provide me with the corresponding links? Also, I've been part of the Women in Red community for some time and I would like to join some more communities that have to do, for example, with music etc. Do you know where to find those as well? Thanks in advance and have a good day! fenia🖤^tellmehi 14:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{I killed JFK} 15:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username provides information on changing your username. The first page of Special:Preferences has a section to write your signature and how you want it to display. Reconrabbit 15:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

adding a column to a page to an exisiting table

hey there

can someone add a column to a table

Add a column to IML Contest Winner Table[edit] Hey there can someone create another column on this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mr._Leather IML Year - then add a column IML Class then add 1 to 46 - including the covid years as 43 & 42 Source: IML Executive Facebook page 25th May 2020 "To honor this year, with great respect for the world's situation, we choose to not ignore 2020 and will put International Mr. Leather 42 and International Mr. Bootblack 28 in the books as "the year without winners". Instead, we move forward to the future and International Mr.Leather 43 and International Mr. Bootblack 29 when we can be together in May 2021. In Leather, IML Executive Committee" 2A01:4B00:D214:8000:C570:9AD9:4AF2:9DC0 (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Please post a request on Talk:International Mr. Leather. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

using articles in different languages

i noticed there were a lot of articles in chinese that were well written but stubs in the english version. i was wondering if i can just translate them into english and use the same references or would the references also have to be english sources? --Eternal Wisteria (talk) 16:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The references don't have to be English, but they do have to be WP:Reliable sources. The reliability would depend on the article subject. Medical articles citing sources promoting TCM would likely not pass WP:MEDRS, and political articles citing Chinese news agencies would likely be deemed unreliable. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Excessive zeal about permissions or rights about images

A long time ago I gave up uploading images to Wikipedia. No other place in the Internet is so full of rules, more rules, a LOT OF RULES about permissions, rights, licenses, etc. of images freely available everywhere you look, and many times some idle & worthless "editor" has decided it should be removed. The result is an encyclopedia that seems proud of being poorly illustrated. Many WP Admins seem to share a common paranoid fear that Wikipedia could be sued for "copyright infringement", but stubbornly deny it, citing their rules instead. It's no use, and it's frustrating too. AVM (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The rules aren't complex. In fact, there is just one simple rule: The Wikimedia Foundation publishes images that have been released under an acceptable free license. That's it. If you take photographs yourself, you can upload them with such a license. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, AVM. I hear your frustration.

Unfortunately, copyright law hasn't quite caught up with new-fangled things like photocopiers. The fact that much of the internet ignores copyright is unfortunate, but the Mediawiki Foundation has chosen to do its best to comply with the law. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

In fact, precisely because of the paucity of free images, the English Wikipedia has chosen to allow non-free content in certain circumstances; I believe that some Wikipedias do not allow that. ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Wait, did no one else hear this guy call editors who get rid of copyright violations worthless? Please be WP:CIVIL and understand people aren't worthless because they do something you don't like. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Editors who improperly upload copyrighted images created by others to WP or to Wikimedia Commons usually claim in the form-filling process that the images are their "own" creation, which is false, and thus constitute outright theft of the actual creator's property. Carlstak (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

how to do two disambiguations in a hatnote

for the page for tire there is only one disambiguation link in a hatnote leading to Tire (disambiguation). I feel there should be two since the british spelling (tyre) has its own disambiguation page (see Tyre (disambiguation). im not sure how to make it dispaly two disambiguation links at once in the hatnotes, so if someone could help it would be greatly appreciated. Gaismagorm (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Y Done. Thanks. Feline Hymnic (talk) 18:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

yipee!!! Gaismagorm (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

question

Hello, I've been wondering about this for some time now.

On some movie and film articles, especially where you get into the 'plot' section of it, does there need to be any sources of the plot? How do we know what is true and what isn't true about it, if there's no sources on it. GoodHue291 (talk) 19:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291: References aren't required for plot sections, because the work itself is the source; you can verify the accuracy of the plot summary by viewing the work. See MOS:PLOTSOURCE – while quotations from the original work or secondary sources are helpful in some circumstances they are not required. Tollens (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey thanks. I actually had another question for you. Is there a limit on how much questions you should ask on the Teahouse? GoodHue291 (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You can ask as many questions as you want, within reason of course – we are happy to help. Tollens (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

There's an issue at the Yahaya Bello article. There's a user that is constantly adding information there that seems out of place, also not acknowledging our edit summaries too. I want to know if you could do something about it. I feel like it's biased text. GoodHue291 (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 You should discuss the issue with User:Lakasera and User:Watercheetah99 on the Talk Page of the article because at present you are all adding/removing content without a proper discussion of what is appropriate for this biography of a living person, which by policy has very strict sourcing requirements. Please do not call edits vandalism unless they are as defined in that link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

A biased POV is a very different thing to vandalism, but it is still very much a problem the edit warring that is going on with that article. -- D'n'B-t -- 20:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like UPE and/or socking to me as well. ANI thread is open at WP:ANI § Possible UPE/socking. Tollens (talk) 20:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I questioned User:Watercheetah99 about the user constant reverting the text without explaining why broadly. So far they didn't respond to my message yet, I think I might question User:Lakasera about it since you've mentioned it. GoodHue291 (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

preparation on digital medis

how study and prepare for my exam on mass communication on digital medis 5.95.12.238 (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The best option would likely be to review the material given to you by whatever person or organization is administering the exam, or alternatively look for practice material online; we can't help you very well here. If you have a specific question about a particular topic you don't understand, you could ask at the reference desk. Tollens (talk) 19:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Bertrand Meniel entry by Francy Pants

On March 6 the entry I created for the artist Bertrand Meniel was rejected because I didn't have the right references. I have since corrected all this following the suggestions of Utopia. I resubmitted the entry and it has now been more than 2 months. Anyone have any suggestions on what more I can do to enhance the entry for publication? I don't know how to indicate where you can find the entry now, as it is in limbo. Fracy Pants (talk) 20:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Haven't looked yet, but the draft is located at Draft:Bertrand Meniel. Tollens (talk) 20:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I've no opinion on whether your draft establishes that Meniel is notable. But there's a couple of external links there that you'll need to remove or convert to references. Maproom (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Categories

Hi,

I'm trying to add Category:Wikipedia-related user templates to User:Myrealnamm/Userboxes/Likes blowing up Wikipedia through the doc page. The current code is:

<includeonly>{{Sandbox other|| <!-- Categories below this line --> [[Category:Wikipedia-related user templates]] }}</includeonly>

However, it's not showing in the template. How do I fix this? Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove a reference and mark it as [citation needed]

I updated an out of date level count number on the article for the game Baba is you but the old reference is still there, how do I remove it and replace it with either a newer reference or the citation needed thing? Personfromthegalille (talk) 21:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't change it until you find a source with the updated number, as the new number would be unsourced, and could be reverted by someone else. I'd just leave it as it is until a new source is found. miranda ^:3 21:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding 'Draft:Nicole Sahin'

Hi there, I wrote this article (Draft:Nicole Sahin) a few weeks back, and subsequently received feedback that the tone of some of the content was promotional and that some of the references weren't reliable. I have rectified the issues (or at least I believe I have) and I would now like to know where and how to ask one of you special Wikipedia souls to review it. Can you advise, please? KWriteReturn (talk) 23:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

KWriteReturn I (who am soulless) just looked at a single sentence, namely:

In 2005, Sahin joined the newly founded High Street Partners (HSP), a software-enabled international business services firm which facilitated the international expansion of fast-growing tech companies including Tesla and Duke University.

This cites one source, which doesn't mention "Sahin" (whose referent I think I understand) or "software-enabled" or "business services" (whose meanings, if any, I don't understand). (Does "business services" here mean advising businesses about all sorts of regulations? The source does talk about that.) It doesn't say that Tesla was growing fast.

Incidentally, "an extended period of time travelling" made me think of something about Doctor Who; but on rereading, it seemed to mean just "a long period travelling". Well, how long? (Just be direct: "after two years travelling" or whatever. Citing a reliable source, of course.)

The whole thing is in a kind of corporate-advertising-speak.

Thank you for being upfront about article creation for income. Hope you're being paid handsomely! -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

The lead of the article gives the latest valuation of her company, without providing a clear explanation of what it does. This makes it look like a WeWork-style scam - such scams often try to use Wikipedia to promote themselves. It doesn't look good. Maproom (talk) 18:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Is this a split or a merge?

Hi! I was looking to create a discussion on combining parts of two articles (SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes and SEPTA Suburban Division bus routes) into a new, separate article called List of SEPTA bus routes. The City Transit Division and Suburban Transit Division are each notable enough to have their own content (they have distinct histories and strikes will be specific to either the city or suburban divisions), but with modern wayfinding changes to SEPTA, it makes no difference to everyday users whether they are on a city bus or suburban bus. Therefore, having a listing of SEPTA bus routes on Wikipedia would be best achieved in its own article rather than straddling two separate ones.

My main question is whether such a thing would best considered to be a split or a merge. It would be splitting the content from both articles, but also merging them both simultaneously... which approach would I take for starting that discussion? Emma Lexi Triphora (talk) 23:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the only way that distinction matters is if you're trying to find a top-of-page banner to draw attention to your proposal. It sounds more like a split, since that offers ways to have the target be an article that does not yet exist, whereas merging seems to require that the target does exist. As long as both articles are tagged and point to the same one location for discussion, that's all that I think really matters. Be sure to alert WT:PHILLY. DMacks (talk) 03:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, that (having a banner) is why I was asking. Thanks! Emma Lexi Triphora (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Refrigerator article vandalized

Hello. Someone vandalized the Refrigerator article. Please roll back. 2A04:EE41:3:12EA:C936:AAB5:46EB:1C (talk) 00:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Already done by Sigma440 '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh no! My photo of Ernest Hemingway's refrigerator is in that article. Cullen328 (talk) 00:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Question about the article "Yatai City"

I was browsing through categories when I found the article for Yatai City. The point of view seems skewed and the sources seem either dubious or outright deprecated, as in the case of the Epoch Times. When I tried to find better sources with a quick google, there are only a few that seemed good. I just wanted to check that attempting to fix the article (which would probably require a full rewrite) was the correct course of action given that based on its recency and lack of a talk page I don't think it's been reviewed. Zygmeyer (talk) 02:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's very much the correct course -- unless, of course, the reliable sources aren't sufficient, whereupon AfD is called for. I note that the city is "strategically situated" (as if many others were situated by somebody blindfolded and sticking a pin into a map); and that "infrastructure construction" [can't we coin "infrastruction"?] was "on wasteland" -- as major "development" so often is, at least until one examines the criteria used to dub it "wasteland". Et cetera. Unfortunately I can't read either Chinese or Burmese and so can't help, but I wish you well. -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Suco: Letemumo

Suco nebee ho populasaun 11, 678 habitantes, iha aldei 6 nebee localiza iha posto administrativo quelicai ho nia aldeia mak lebenei, laumana, ruta, manume, waidora Iueus (talk) 03:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

If you want to ask about something in Portuguese-language Wikipedia, please do so there. -- Hoary (talk) 03:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

How do you save edits/changes to an existing article?

Sorry, a bit new here and can't seem to find the answer to this question. Also, where do you put the recommendations for new edits/editors to an existing article because you don't have enough knowledge about the subject to do the necessary changes? Eleniofillyria (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Your first question: First use "Edit", and edit. Then "Preview changes", and check that what you did doesn't have any unwanted problems. Then "Publish changes". Your second question: At the foot of the article's "Talk" page. -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

User Contributions

On the user contributions, I wonder if I can search for the specific page e.g. 'France' to see how many times or not they had edit this particular page? MoCars (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@MoCars There is a good tool which includes this information and is reached from the bottom of any user's contributions page. The tool is the "Edit count" link and in your case gives this from which individual counts are part of the output. I can see you made 16 edits to Toyota Yaris Cross, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Request consideration of increased page protection for all political candidates

I have submitted a request for page protection for one state legislator page after seeing that Other Editors have noted changes to the page that may be from a political opponent.

Right now the page I reviewed has been edited recently to focus mostly on political positions rather than on the person's biography. I recommended that protection be installed immediately for that page to prevent any further biased posting and vandalism.

Now it occurs to me that perhaps we need a blanket increase in page protection for all political candidate pages at this point, since primaries are coming up in many states in the next few months. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

We do not preemptively protect pages. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Support on declined submission: Talkio Mobile

Team, please help me get my draft page done better and approved faster. The page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Talkio_Mobile) is of a telecommunications company launching in a few months in Uganda. This implies that not much information on it is available for reference, but quite more will be in the near future. There have been questions of how related I am to the party, or if I have a conflict of interest in the submission. The answer is NO! I have been a growing technology journalist for the past 8 years and I have helped report on the underreported sector here in Uganda and Africa. It hurts when efforts like these, to make the unknown more known, are instead painted to be for selfish and personal interests. It discourages us as editors and makes us think that probably we are undervalued and have no regard paid to us. Kikonyogod (talk) 05:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kikonyogod: I asked you a perfectly standard question about a possible conflict of interest, no need to get worked up about it.

And Wikipedia is not here to help you promote upcoming anything. If the company hasn't even been launched yet, it is virtually guaranteed to be non-notable, and you will find it pretty much impossible to have an article on it accepted. Sorry to be blunt, but that's just a fact. Maybe give it a year, and try again then? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @DoubleGrazing, feedback well noted. We'll give it the time it deserves. Kikonyogod (talk) 06:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kikonyogod: Welcome to the Teahouse. As DoubleGrazing has said above, the subject appears to be too soon to have its own article for the time being. As an aside, your §Services section comes off as very promotional and would be unfit for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Tenryuu. Services section omitted. Feedback noted! Kikonyogod (talk) 06:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Kikonyogod, this draft comes with one reference. The source to which it points doesn't mention Talkio Mobile. You give me no reason not to think that an article on Talkio Mobile would contravene WP:CRYSTAL. I do not understand why you can't wait till more information about Talkio Mobile becomes available. (NB This information would have to come from reliable, disinterested sources.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kikonyogod, Tenryuu, DoubleGrazing, and Hoary: Please see this essay. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 11:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Shirt58, I did. Why the "located" within "Poland is a country located in Central Europe"? ("Poland is a country in Central Europe" sounds better to me.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I like metre-form laws. Do the Income Tax Act 2007 next. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the relevance here as the draft's avoided the use of first- and second-person pronouns. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Use of a Picture from the Commons on my Free Web site

I have a blog I use for very nerdy articles. Most are very nerdy topics. I'm stretching myself a bit by writing up an article on the Turing/Church proofs that the Entscheidungsproblem has no solution. I have no adds on my site, I don't have any way for people to even give me money if they want to. It isn't all altruistics. I'm more interested in attracting a (very small but focused) audience and that sometimes leads to business. Anyway, sorry this is way too much detail My question is if I take an image from Alonzo Church's Wikipedia page and use it on my blog are there any ownership issues? All I know about content ownership, copyright, etc. is I don't understand it but know its easy to do something you shouldn't. I would think this is fine perhaps I should provide some attribution. Please any suggestions. Sorry for the long email, its late and I've been working since... actually 5am. And I'm more or less retired. What can I say I like my work. Wikipedia rocks! I used to edit and still do once in a while and when my old boss gets depressed that the Internet didn't turn the world into a utopia of open information as he thought it would I remind him that we have things like Wikipedia one of the most wonderful examples of people doing things because they want to. Cheers! MadScientistX11 (talk) 06:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MadScientistX11. Your header indicates that you are asking about images hosted on Wikimedia Commons. Every image or media file there (and there are an amazing 105 million of them) can be used by anybody for any purpose including commercial purposes without any restriction or asking for permission, except that many of them require attribution to the source. So, that is the general answer about Commons images, but then you mention Alonzo Church, and it is there that a problem arises. The portrait photo in that article is not hosted on Wikimedia Commons but rather right here on English Wikipedia. That is because the presumption is that the copyright to that photo belongs to Princeton University and that the photo is therefore neither in the public domain nor freely licensed. The English Wikipedia has a policy on use of non-free images. The policy is strict and the image must be low resolution, as is the case here. The circumstances where non-free images can be used are limited. One of those allowed uses is in biographies of people who have died, when no freely licensed or public domain image is known to exist. Clearly, it is not possible to take a photo of a man who died in 1995. So that justifies the use of the photo on English Wikipedia. The bottom line is that neither English Wikipedia nor Wikimedia Commons can give you permission to use this portrait photo, because the copyright presumably belongs to Princeton. The charmingly nerdy non-profit nature of your website has no bearing here. The principles I am describing apply to giant multinational corporations the same way as they apply to your website. If you decide to use the photo under the legal principle of fair use, then I suggest that you look for a higher resolution version on Princeton's websites, and credit them on your website. Cullen328 (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi MadScientistX11! The specific image you are referring to appears to be under copyright, and you should generally only use it if you believe it falls under the fair use doctrine, or the equivalent in your jurisdiction. You can see the guidance at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content § Fair use materials and special requirements for more information.

Almost all of the images on Wikimedia Commons should be freely reusable, but the requirements surrounding attribution and similar may vary, you can see c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. However, some images on English Wikipedia, including the image on Alonzo Church(File:Alonzo Church.jpg) would be, or are assumed to be, under copyright, and can only be used under the fair use doctrine. This is generally because no freely reusable alternative can be located.

For the use of copyrighted works under fair use in US law, 17 U.S. Code § 107 considers the following 4 factors:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested Articles

So, I've written and fulfilled nearly a dozen article requests in the Military History section. Are the fulfilled requests supposed to be removed from the list or should they stay as is? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 07:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TheBrowniess. I commend you for working on requested articles. Once the new article is in main space, then please remove it from Requested Articles, with an edit summary stating that you wrote the article, with a wikilink to the new article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

So should I include links to all the articles in a single edit summary or should I create a separate edit summary for each one? TheBrowniess (talk) 11:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That is up to you. My choice would be individual edits and summaries for each article. Very lengthy edit summaries are unwieldy in my opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing contentious article

Hi. The "Gaza floating pier" article has a message that users with <500 edits may not edit it, but the article is not explicitly protected. I made an edit request, but the wizard gives an error message because the page is not protected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_floating_pier#Adjust_short_description

Does the protection status of the page need to be adjusted, or is this simply an edge case not covered by the wizard? Will my edit request still be processed even if this warning appears? Yawkat (talk) 07:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Main page changes

Hi all hosts and newcomers,

In case you miss it, there has been/will be a change in the default settings for the Main Page. The Main Page will be full width mode by default.

Extract from the latest edition of Tech news:

In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [7]

This was raised as a bug report at WP:VPT. I thought that it might be beneficial to Teahouse here to be notified here as well. – robertsky (talk) 09:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Divisive Examples of Neutral Point of View on Help Page

Hello. I have recently commenced as editor here and am excited about all the great work being done to preserve our knowledge.

I was kindly guided towards the help page and ended up at the quiz on Neutral Point of View (NPOV) writing, Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines/neutrality quiz.

I find the examples to be a bit contentious and the explanations to be paternalistic.

Examples include objective truths which you are taught should not be mentioned. And lack of evidence of causation presented as evidence of no causation.

I can see that the page has not been commented on since 2022, and wonder if it is time to discuss the examples again, as this is a page that many new user will visit.

Cheers, Nielsen Lasse (talk) 09:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The point is to provide examples that are obviously incorrect in order for the user to be able to see the correct ones. That said, you should discuss your concerns on the associated talk page. If it doesn't get enough interest, you can make a formal Request for Comment. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi there Nielsen! If you put some specific suggestions on the talk page, I would be happy to discuss them with you. Toadspike [Talk] 12:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Hello everyone. I've been looking for what to do in this encyclopedia, but it looks like everything is in order. Is there a to-do list or something like that to get started? JLCop (talk) 12:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@JLCop First off, welcome, nice to have you here. Second, there isn't necessarily a to-do list, more a rather insane amount of things you can do. I'd personally advise going to the task hub to see some of these examples. Citation hunting is a good way to find articles to improve, as you can come across articles in rather desperate need of improvement.

You can also find a WikiProject that interests you, as most will have a list of stub or start class articles. These are the bottom two rungs of our assessment categories and most are ripe for improvement if you can find the sources to back them up.

I'm gunna pop you a welcome message as well, as that'll have a bunch of useful information on it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @JLCop, when I first started I found the homepage really useful, it gives suggested edits. Once you spend some time doing this to get used to how to use Wikipedia, there are then plenty of projects you can get stuck into :) Qcne (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Request userboxes

Hello! I'm SniperTron12, for a living, I put a nuclear block on a vandalizer, but I'd want to do something different! If you want me to create userboxes, I'll be there to help!

PS - I dont know where I SHOULD place this statement.

Snipertron12 (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Snipertron12! I think a good place that people might hear up on your help would be the WikiProject Userboxes, although it doesn't seem too active as of right now. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 15:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Id like to add something but theres not really any citations for it

So i wanted to add an Imageboard to the page for them, but i cant post it since my only valid proof is a reddit post by the creator of the Imageboard on Reddit (aswell as the site link of course)

This is what i tried to post

9chan is an imageboard that emerged on Reddit around April 2024.<ref>"9chan Introduction", blaqberry, Reddit post, January 2024, [Uhh i made an imageboard : r/teenagers]</ref> Not much is known about its past since it seemingly hasn't been archived, although it appears to have originated in 2022. It was created by two people, 'blaqberry' and 'njln_'. The imageboard itself resembles 4chan from around 2004, with a few slight changes. It's not indexed by Google, according to blaqberry, but you can visit it by going to https://9chan.000.pe.

Most of it is either visible on the site itself (like the date of its origin and the creators) or visible by just Googling it (the indexing of it) 2A02:908:F62:D5A0:C009:C645:8677:A9D6 (talk) 14:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I am afraid that Reddit is not a valid source, as it is not reliable. Not every single image board that exists should be added to the Imageboard article - only ones which are "notable" by our definition. Qcne (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Company logo reverted to outdated logo on company page

I updated my company logo on our company Wikipedia page as we rebranded last year but the logo reverted to our old logo. Justin Oram (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Agilysys

Hi Justin Oram, Since you have a conflict of interest then Wikimedia's terms of service require that you make a paid-contribution disclosure. You can then make an edit request on the article's talk page. Updating the logo is probably fine. Promotional language and puffery, such as in your earlier edits is not. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Justin Oram

 Courtesy link: Agilysys

Your edits were reverted wholesale, as they were found to be promotional. The logo was collateral damage in that.

You must disclose your paid-editing status. After that, you should not edit the article directly, but make edit requests via its talk page instead.

Please note also that this is not "[y]our company Wikipedia page", but rather a Wikipedia article on your company. It is editable by anyone, and not 'owned' by your company in any sense of the word. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: c:File:Agilysys, Inc. logo.png – Image

I have changed the license to {{PD-textlogo}}, as it is below the threshold of originality; the logo only contains 2 circles and text, and is in the public domain. ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 16:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Justin Oram: The logo update was OK. I have redone it and added the official website.[8]. I guess you also made this edit four minutes before creating your account. That was not OK. It said customers use your product to "consistently delight guests, retain staff and grow margins". The revert said "promotional b*llsh*t". I have to agree. We are an encyclopedia, not your marketing department. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewed page created from redirect

If a redirect is turned into a full page, does it need to be reviewed before it can been seen on search engines, or does it just take time for the search engine to realise that it is no longer a redirect page? Anguswiki (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it has to be reviewed by new pages patrol. Turning the redirect into an article marks it as unreviewed and adds it to the NPP queue again. Toadspike [Talk] 17:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Website blocked

I was attempting to edit Elaine Carroll to add their website, but the edit was blocked because the site uses .xyz as the TLD. The notice about this issue indicated that I could submit a request to have the specific domain allowed, but I'm not totally certain how to submit a request about this. The noticed mentioned two different filter lists and I couldn't tell which one was blocking this edit. I created a note about this under the discussion section at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist as well. – OdinintheNorth (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@OdinintheNorth, there is a general block on .xyz TLD. I am adding this to the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist. – robertsky (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! – OdinintheNorth (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Can someome do a small edit in Template:Infobox Paralympic sport?

Hi! I'm not new, but ask here anyway. Can someone please add 2024 to Template:Infobox Paralympic sport? I was looking at the code, but think I better ask for help. (I don't want to mess up things, and I'm not so used to the en-wp version of Wikipedia.)

Thank you! :-) // Zquid (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zquid I have just updated the template to include the 2024 Summer Paralympics, it should be all good now. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 17:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kline Great! Thank you! :-) // Zquid (talk) 17:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)